you want me to narrow my answers down. i'm really way above this, fellows. >> two things would be game changers tonight if barack obama says you are likable enough, mitt. or if mitt romney says i will bet you 10,000. it is interesting. i somewhat disagree with mark. i looked at debates from 1960 on. what is remarkable is how little bit has changed. in 2004 everybody is taking on all three of those. >> i got it right here. the only debate where there was movement beyond two or three points from the start to the end was 1976. jerry ford moved ten points. it doesn't have the effect that people think it has. i think there are five things that make a difference. conventions matter a lot, where you are going in, the kind of campaign you run and the media. >> i disagree with it. do you think debates don't have an impact or do you think tonight could if mitt romney comes out? >> i think that's really when the american people see the two candidates and start to make their minds up. >> first of all, i think there is a consensus that